{"id":421,"date":"2013-10-06T22:24:58","date_gmt":"2013-10-07T02:24:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/?p=421"},"modified":"2013-10-06T22:24:58","modified_gmt":"2013-10-07T02:24:58","slug":"the-free-dominion-4-huge-defeat-for-freedom-of-speech-in-canada","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/?p=421","title":{"rendered":"The Free Dominion 4 &#8212; Huge Defeat for Freedom of Speech in Canada"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff; font-size: xx-large;\">The Free Dominion\u00a04 &#8212; Huge Defeat for Freedom of Speech in Canada<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana,sans-serif;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The bottom line is that, after a very costly and valiant 6-year battle, the Free Dominion\u00a04 &#8212;\u00a0 Free Dominion website owners, Mark and Connie Fournier, and bloggers, Jason Bertucci and Roger Smith &#8212; this week lost the defamation action brought against them by Richard Warman. The past six years have been filled with motions and appeals on procedure on the way to trial. The Fourniers face still two more libel actions launched by Richard Warman, a civil servant <\/span><\/strong><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(Department of National Defence), with seemingly an amazing amount of time on his hands for legal complaints, human rights complaints, tribunals and lawsuits.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">The crimes of the Free Dominion 4? Critical comments over several years about Richard Warman, usually is his role of &#8212; and in this poxy, anti-freedom environment, we must be careful &#8212; seeking to limit the freedom of expression of others. Canadian libel law is very hazy. Remarks that lower a person&#8217;s reputation &#8212; thus, almost any criticism &#8212; can be seen as defamatory. However, truth and fair comment are defences. The jury in the Free Dominion 4\u00a0 case seemed unwilling to recognize truth or fair comment in numerous postings by the 4 about which Warman had complained.<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">Here U.S. Attorney Sam Dickson offers some sober counsel: &#8220;Juries want to do the nice thing and be popular.&#8221; They will often ignore facts, if the defendants have been cast in a bad light.<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana,sans-serif;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The defence painted the defendants as extremists, with unpopular, maybe even unusual views and eccentric or opinionated friends or associates. Ottawa is a very\u00a0politically correct town with a very cozy judiciary, as more than one lawyer has told me. The Free Dominion 4 were clearly odd, outsiders, unenlightened yokels from the sticks or the R.O.C. (the backward Rest of Canada to the entitled Ottawa mindset.)<\/span><\/strong>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">The complainant (plaintiff) Richard Warman savours the victory: <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong><strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff; font-size: xx-large;\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">&#8220;The jury found that all 4 defendants had been motivated by malice in their attacks against me and awarded $42,000 in damages broken down in the following amounts:<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/strong>\u00a0 <span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">Connie Fournier \u2013 $7,000 general damages\/$4,000 aggravated\/$8,000 punitive Mark Fournier \u2013 $4,000 general\/$3,000 aggravated\/$5,000 punitive Jason Bertucci \u2013 $2,000 general\/$1,000 aggravated\/$2,000 punitive Roger Smith \u2013 $2,000 general\/$1,000 aggravated\/$3,000 punitive.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">But, $42,000 out of pocket, in addition to their own legal fees, is not the end of the damage: &#8220;An injunction is being sought and costs remain to be ruled on by Justice Robert Smith who presided over the trial,&#8221; writes Warman. What exactly would such an injunction mean? We don&#8217;t know the wording, but the delightfully diabolical thing about an injunction is that breaking it, even inadvertently, could mean a quick trip to prison for the poor victim impertinent to believe he should open his mouth and speak his mind.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">Canada is a soft tyranny. No, we&#8217;re not yet a Third World thuggocracy, where dissidents are beaten to death by mobs or rounded up and tortured in prison. Like Singapore, we maintain the trappings of democracy. The way Singapore long maintained a virtual one party state was that there were ferocious libel judgements slapped on opposition politicians who criticized government figures. We haven&#8217;t yet reached this level of sophistication but we&#8217;re headed there.<\/span><\/p>\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Photo: The Free Dominion 4 -- Huge Defeat for Freedom of Speech in Canada\n\nThe bottom line is that, after a very costly and valiant 6-year battle, the Free Dominion 4 --  Free Dominion website owners, Mark and Connie Fournier, and bloggers, Jason Bertucci and Roger Smith -- this week lost the defamation action brought against them by Richard Warman. The past six years have been filled with motions and appeals on procedure on the way to trial. The Fourniers face still two more libel actions launched by Richard Warman, a civil servant (Department of National Defence), with seemingly an amazing amount of time on his hands for legal complaints, human rights complaints, tribunals and lawsuits.\n\nThe crimes of the Free Dominion 4? Critical comments over several years about Richard Warman, usually is his role of -- and in this poxy, anti-freedom environment, we must be careful -- seeking to limit the freedom of expression of others. Canadian libel law is very hazy. Remarks that lower a person's reputation -- thus, almost any criticism -- can be seen as defamatory. However, truth and fair comment are defences. The jury in the Free Dominion 4  case seemed unwilling to recognize truth or fair comment in numerous postings by the 4 about which Warman had complained.\n\nHere U.S. Attorney Sam Dickson offers some sober counsel: &quot;Juries want to do the nice thing and be popular.&quot; They will often ignore facts, if the defendants have been cast in a bad light.\n\nThe defence painted the defendants as extremists, with unpopular, maybe even unusual views and eccentric or opinionated friends or associates. Ottawa is a very politically correct town with a very cozy judiciary, as more than one lawyer has told me. The Free Dominion 4 were clearly odd, outsiders, unenlightened yokels from the sticks or the R.O.C. (the backward Rest of Canada to the entitled Ottawa mindset.) \n\nThe complainant (plaintiff) Richard Warman savours the victory: \n\n&quot;The jury found that all 4 defendants had been motivated by malice in their attacks against me and awarded $42,000 in damages broken down in the following amounts:\n Connie Fournier \u2013 $7,000 general damages\/$4,000 aggravated\/$8,000 punitive\n Mark Fournier \u2013 $4,000 general\/$3,000 aggravated\/$5,000 punitive\n Jason Bertucci \u2013 $2,000 general\/$1,000 aggravated\/$2,000 punitive\n Roger Smith \u2013 $2,000 general\/$1,000 aggravated\/$3,000 punitive.&quot;\n\nBut, $42,000 out of pocket, in addition to their own legal fees, is not the end of the damage: &quot;An injunction is being sought and costs remain to be ruled on by Justice Robert Smith who presided over the trial,&quot; writes Warman. What exactly would such an injunction mean? We don't know the wording, but the delightfully diabolical thing about an injunction is that breaking it, even inadvertently, could mean a quick trip to prison for the poor victim impertinent to believe he should open his mouth and speak his mind.\n\nCanada is a soft tyranny. No, we're not yet a Third World thuggocracy, where dissidents are beaten to death by mobs or rounded up and tortured in prison. Like Singapore, we maintain the trappings of democracy. The way Singapore long maintained a virtual one party state was that there were ferocious libel judgements slapped on opposition politicians who criticized government figures. We haven't yet reached this level of sophistication but we're headed there.\n\nAnti-free speech &quot;human rights&quot; legislation under which Warman thrived -- filing several dozen Sec. 13 (Internet censorship) complaints under the Canadian Human Rights Act -- makes criticism of privileged minorities dangerous. The definition of &quot;hate&quot; or &quot;contempt&quot; is hazy. Usually, neither truth nor intent are defences. That's assault number one. The effect of such restrictions is to mute or silence criticism of the immigration invasion, multiculturalism, minority-influenced conspiracies, or the homosexual agenda. Lively, outspoken public debate is stifled.\n\nAssault number two is the sort of persecution by libel suits or threats of such suits. That makes criticism of individuals seen to be actively limiting the free expression of others difficult. Libel judgements are capricious. CAFE and I were founded to have defamed Richard Warman for dubbing him a &quot;censor&quot; for his activites. Yet, the late free speech champion Doug Christie was deemed not to have been defamed when a Vancouver talk jock radio host smeared him as &quot;a perverted monster&quot; for having defended Ernst Zundel.\n\nWe understand the Free Dominion 4 are actively considering an appeal.\n\nI attach an excellent commentary by a long-time champion of individual liberties, Tom Kennedy.\n\nPaul Fromm\n\nDirector\n\nCanadian Association for Free Expression\n\nThe Day Free Speech Died In Canada \u2013 October 2, 2013  \n\nBy Tom J. Kennedy\n\nMy heart skipped a beat when I read Xanthippa's post titled &quot;The Verdict&quot; on Wednesday evening, October 2, 2013:\n\n&quot;I\u2019ll be brief.\n\nToday is a sad, sad day for all Canadians \u2013 and a tragic one for all freedom loving people.\n\nThe jury foreperson giggled as she said: \u201cThe answer is 42!\u201d\n\nAs in, $42,000 awarded to Mr. Warman in damages\u2026\n\nIn addition, Mr. Warman is seeking an injunction against Free Dominion \u2013 a gag order \u2013 that would see the Fourniers thrown into jail if anyone even mentions his name on Free Dominion, no matter how quickly it would be taken down.  If that happens, Free Dominion will cease to exist\u2026\n\nI\u2019ll have some details later \u2013 am too upset to write more now.&quot; - Xanthippa\n\nPermit me to draw attention to the infamous statement from the Zundel Hearing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada in the 1990\u2019s wherein Commissioner Pensa is quoted as saying: \n\n&quot;It is the finding of this Tribunal that truth is not an issue before us. Parliament has spoken. The use of telephone messages for purposes prohibited by Section 13 of the Act cannot be justified by asserting that such messages are truthful. The sole issue is whether such communications are likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt.&quot;\n\nIn summary, the Commissioner Pensa determined that \u201ctruth is no defense,\u201d or in other words in any case before that quasi-judicial body \u2013 the Human Rights Tribunal \u201ctruth doesn\u2019t matter.\u201d  It seems that the absurd statement \u201ctruth is no defense\u201d has crept into the regular court system in this 21st Century.\n\nRead Mark Weber's article: &quot;The Importance of the Zundel Hearing in Toronto.&quot;\n\nA most important cyber-defamation case \u2013 \u201cWarman vs Fournieret al\u201d  began on September 9, 2013 and ended on October 2, 2013 at a civil court in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.\n\nMark Fournier writes at Free Dominion about the day that free speech died in Canada:\n\n\u201cThe jury decided that we had not taken down the complained of posts fast enough so we were therefore responsible for all the posts made by third parties. This put us in a position where we had no defenses to protect ourselves. We weren\u2019t allowed to put in evidence to prove the truth of many of the facts (such as the David Icke video), we weren\u2019t allowed to say what we believed commenters were referring to in their comments, and we couldn\u2019t testify to the state of mind, or motivation of, anonymous posters. We were held responsible for the words of others and systematically stripped of every possible defense.\u201d\n\nThe verdict by the jury in the \u201cWarman vs Fournier et al\u201d has effectively killed good, old-fashioned, political discourse and debate in cyberspace, in Canada. Even minor insults and common hyperbole of innocent nature and made-up words not in the dictionary, can now be construed as defamation.\n\nThe law lesson learned from the verdict is that defamation court actions are designed to stifle online discourse and healthy political debates that used to commonly take place around kitchen tables and then graduated to cyberspace are now less likely to happen in the blogosphere, since all owners of blogs, forums, chat rooms etc. must now become ruthless, editorial police to avoid the risk of libel suits.\n\nThe law definition of libel states: \u201cAny communication that is likely to lower that person in the estimation of reasonable people and in particular to cause that person to be regarded with feelings of hatred, contempt, ridicule, fear or dislike.\u201d \n\nEach and every Canadian ought to now be motivated to action in a gallant effort to redeem free speech in Canada. Most likely, our elected representatives are not yet aware of the significant impact that the verdict in the Warman vs Fournier et al is having on our fragile and ever diminishing right of free speech in Canada. \n\nCanadians everywhere are invited and encouraged to communicate with their respective, elected Members of Parliament re: Canada's oppressive and outdated libel laws and the outcome of the &quot;Warman vs Fournier et al&quot; trial.\n\nRead Jeffrey Sahllit\u2019s article: &quot;It's time to reform Canadianlibel law&quot;\n\nAnd Alan Shanoff\u2019s article: &quot;Timeto abolish outdated defamatory libel offence&quot;\n\nTo redeem free speech in Canada, the libel laws must be revised to modernize the original words of the Magna Carta that was written in the 13th Century when King John was the feared enemy of freedom and liberty. \n\nLord Denning referred to the Magna Carta as \u201cthe greatest constitutional document of all times \u2013 the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot.\u201d\n\nIn retrospect, perhaps the six member jury would have returned with a different verdict if the Plaintiff\u2019s responsibility was to prove that the statements were typed with malicious intent.\n\nIn this 21st Century, the power of the Plaintiff in a cyber-defamation case becomes the feared despot to freedom of speech. \n\nConnie Fournier explains at Free Dominion, the challenge she and Mark faced as Defendants:\n\n\u201cThe witnesses we brought in were to prove specific facts that we needed to prove were true in order for a fair comment defense to apply. The fair comment defense doesn't apply if the comment is not based on &quot;proven facts&quot;. Since there were specific comments about a protest at Paul Fromm's house and about events with David Icke so we needed them to give testimony about them. Newspaper articles and even tribunal transcripts were considered hearsay and much of the evidence we brought was excluded by the judge.\n\nYou cannot prove a fact in court unless you call a real person who was there. So you can see how impossible it is to vet every post that is posted on an internet forum and, when you are facing getting witnesses to prove facts behind sixty-some posts, it is an enormous burden. \n\nIn our case, as our opponents found out that we had witnesses to prove certain facts, they removed the related posts from their claim. In fact, they waited until the day of the trial when they knew for a fact that David Icke was coming, to remove the posts related to him and they tried to get the judge to block his testimony (after we had already paid for his flight and accommodations). In their haste, they forgot to remove ONE of those allegations so he testified. But, that is how it went all the way through the trial.\n\nThe strategy was NOT to attack Richard Warman's character. We focused on proving facts related to specific posts, and we went as far as we could in trying to persuade the jury that the posts were not defamatory, but our hands were tied there. The judge is in charge of giving them the law and the definition of defamation that he gave them would encompass any negative comment. It was &quot;any communication that is likely to lower that person in the estimation of reasonable people and in particular to cause that person to be regarded with feelings of hatred, contempt, ridicule, fear, or dislike.&quot; \n\nWe were not allowed to refer to any case law that gave a broader definition, and the judge specifically refused to give the jury case law relating to the extra latitude that should be given to &quot;political speech&quot;. I was stopped from giving my opinion as to how comments are interpreted in an online forum context because I was not an &quot;expert witness&quot;, and every time I tried to explain the context of an anonymous comment or what I thought was the motivation behind a post, I was not allowed to continue.\n\nAnyway, you can only go so far when the judge has the final word on the evidence the jury will be allowed to see. The only recourse when you feel the jury was not properly instructed is to appeal.\n\nAnd, for the record, our lawyer was EXCEPTIONAL.\u201d\n\nThe right to speak our mind in real life situations and\/or to type words in cyberspace is a unique freedom cherished by Canadian citizens, but now freedom of speech in under threat because of the misguided verdict in the \u201cWarman vs Fournier et al\u201d trail.\n\nNow in 2013, any self-appointed censor can rely on their JUST US system to censor blogosphere debates on any topics or issues. This is evidence that political correctness has morphed into a totalitarian monster that must be tamed.\n\nOur inate right to speak our honestly held opinions without fear of being sued or saddled with a gag order must be restored for ourselves, our children, and, our grandchildren.\n\nAs it stands now, our right of free expression as granted by the Charter of Rights is being trumped by outdated, libel law, with its attached punitive consequences. All Canadians now will suffer an extreme injustice because of fatal flaws in Canadian jurisprudence.\n\nThis is because under Canada's libel law there is more protection for the Plaintiff than for the Defendant, as the burden of proof has become the responsibility of the Defendant to prove that any typed words in cyberspace do not damage the &quot;honour&quot; of another individual.\n\nBased on the jury verdict in the &quot;Warman vs Fournier et al,&quot; Canada's defamation laws now permit a Plaintiff to abuse and harass a Defendant - who has little or no fair recourse in their tainted JUST US system.\n\nPaul Fromm, with the Free Dominion 4, after testifying at their trial in Ottawa, Sept. 17.\" src=\"https:\/\/fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net\/hphotos-ak-prn2\/p480x480\/1382799_230589827107265_875616113_n.jpg\" width=\"504\" height=\"378\" \/><\/div>\n<div>\n<form action=\"http:\/\/ajax\/ufi\/modify.php\" method=\"post\" target=\"_blank\"><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"clp\" value=\"{&quot;cl_impid&quot;:&quot;e0f1b165&quot;,&quot;clearcounter&quot;:0,&quot;elementid&quot;:&quot;js_32&quot;,&quot;version&quot;:&quot;x&quot;,&quot;parent_fbid&quot;:230589827107265}\" \/><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"charset_test\" value=\"\u20ac,\u00b4,\u20ac,\u00b4,\u6c34,\u0414,\u0404\" \/><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"fb_dtsg\" value=\"AQBSklH8\" \/><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"feedback_params\" value=\"{&quot;actor&quot;:&quot;100004687473766&quot;,&quot;target_fbid&quot;:&quot;230589827107265&quot;,&quot;target_profile_id&quot;:&quot;100004687473766&quot;,&quot;type_id&quot;:&quot;7&quot;,&quot;assoc_obj_id&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;source_app_id&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;extra_story_params&quot;:[],&quot;content_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1381092292&quot;,&quot;check_hash&quot;:&quot;AQC5Rn2RGO0x0On2&quot;,&quot;source&quot;:&quot;13&quot;}\" \/><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"data_only_response\" value=\"1\" \/><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"timeline_ufi\" value=\"1\" \/><input type=\"hidden\" name=\"timeline_log_data\" value=\"AQBvKRO0gxRumXw6GaE6cSFVtO4m4J0pGhMbkkVVA4uta26otsIwKKHfCxm8oGcySUworPKfKXuLcevlsQ2bIrC18UCcoGq1Nyj_TobtpqInC4DrP9lanqtZAMRSgjYnOqCCYIdFfH9x4hKtE_yN9jIwO9oJgmb0nW-6wGKfWkKi26EDKypW-qlMMRr2YWvxsDY4moKRZIBHND4E__GQcxkCMtKfvLIHoh5xXPyyVbsMdxUb2R8V8LtyL2LP6R9VIDU2JotSxMzoN5RTzzX2gUfFsnlQwIxn6LQ5u0H7VFYqa2WfZg-zeeepYD9RWI2zo9wwhuVn6TX1VI_QgOi7O8AHYZI2eA7WNaACp_Zqje6yS7Q5FKJ1uxzlqyefxJRwhAQD5dtiiJ7Gz7qqjRAAEFpYXys5Z_kNyeL9jGos_ctB_Q\" \/><\/p>\n<div>\n<div>Paul Fromm in Ottawa, Sept. 17, with the Free Dominion 4,\u00a0after testifying for them.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/form>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: large;\">Anti-free speech &#8220;human rights&#8221; legislation under which Warman thrived &#8212; filing several dozen Sec. 13 (Internet censorship) complaints under the Canadian Human Rights Act &#8212; makes criticism of privileged minorities dangerous. The definition of &#8220;hate&#8221; or &#8220;contempt&#8221; is hazy. Usually, neither truth nor intent are defences. That&#8217;s assault number one.\u00a0The effect of such restrictions\u00a0is to mute or silence criticism of the immigration invasion, multiculturalism, minority-influenced conspiracies,\u00a0or the homosexual agenda. Lively, outspoken public debate is stifled.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: Verdana; font-size: large;\">Assault number two is the sort of persecution by libel suits or threats of such suits. That makes criticism of individuals seen to be actively limiting the free expression of others difficult. Libel judgements are capricious. CAFE and I were founded to have defamed Richard Warman for dubbing him a &#8220;censor&#8221; for his activites. Yet, the late free speech champion Doug Christie was deemed not to have been defamed when a Vancouver talk jock radio host smeared him as &#8220;a perverted monster&#8221; for having defended Ernst Zundel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: Verdana; font-size: large;\">We understand the Free Dominion 4 are actively considering an appeal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: Verdana; font-size: large;\">I attach an excellent commentary by a long-time champion of individual liberties, Tom Kennedy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff; font-family: Verdana;\">Paul Fromm<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff; font-family: Verdana;\">Director<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff; font-family: Verdana;\">Canadian Association for Free Expression<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000; font-size: xx-large;\">The Day Free Speech Died In Canada \u2013 October 2, 2013 <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-oEcI1NIrprY\/Uk5O38trcEI\/AAAAAAAAHW4\/1tKsY5eNPXI\/s1600\/images-2.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-oEcI1NIrprY\/Uk5O38trcEI\/AAAAAAAAHW4\/1tKsY5eNPXI\/s400\/images-2.jpeg\" width=\"400\" height=\"299\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div><b>By Tom J. Kennedy<\/b><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">My heart skipped a beat when I read Xanthippa&#8217;s post titled &#8220;<b><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.xanthippas.com\/2013\/10\/02\/warman-vs-free-dominion-and-john-does-the-jury-trial-the-verdict\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">The Verdict<\/span><\/a><\/b>&#8221; on Wednesday evening, October 2, 2013:<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8220;I\u2019ll be brief.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Today is a sad, sad day for all Canadians \u2013 and a tragic one for all freedom loving people.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">The jury foreperson giggled as she said: \u201cThe answer is 42!\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">As in, $42,000 awarded to Mr. Warman in damages\u2026<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">In addition, Mr. Warman is seeking an injunction against <b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.freedominion.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">Free Dominion<\/span><\/a><\/b> \u2013 a gag order \u2013 that would see the Fourniers thrown into jail if anyone even mentions his name on Free Dominion, no matter how quickly it would be taken down.\u00a0 If that happens, Free Dominion will cease to exist\u2026<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">I\u2019ll have some details later \u2013 am too upset to write more now.&#8221; &#8211;\u00a0Xanthippa<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Permit me to draw attention to the infamous statement from the Zundel Hearing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada in the 1990\u2019s wherein Commissioner Pensa is quoted as saying: <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8220;It is the finding of this Tribunal that truth is not an issue before us. Parliament has spoken. The use of telephone messages for purposes prohibited by Section 13 of the Act cannot be justified by asserting that such messages are truthful. The sole issue is whether such communications are likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt.&#8221;<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">In summary, the Commissioner Pensa determined that \u201ctruth is no defense,\u201d or in other words in any case before that quasi-judicial body \u2013 the Human Rights Tribunal \u201ctruth doesn\u2019t matter.\u201d \u00a0It seems that the absurd statement \u201ctruth is no defense\u201d has crept into the regular court system in this 21<sup>st<\/sup> Century.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Read Mark Weber&#8217;s article: &#8220;<b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ihr.org\/jhr\/v19\/v19n5p-2_Weber.html\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">The Importance of the Zundel Hearing in Toronto<\/span><\/a>.<\/b>&#8220;<\/span><\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-vHE5iUoBInw\/Uk5PHCA63FI\/AAAAAAAAHXA\/MP4Zha6uXiQ\/s1600\/images-1.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-vHE5iUoBInw\/Uk5PHCA63FI\/AAAAAAAAHXA\/MP4Zha6uXiQ\/s400\/images-1.jpeg\" width=\"394\" height=\"400\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">A most important cyber-defamation case \u2013 \u201c<b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.freedominion.com.pa\/phpBB2\/viewtopic.php?f=70&amp;t=91086\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">Warman vs Fournieret al<\/span><\/a><\/b>\u201d \u00a0began on September 9, 2013 and ended on October 2, 2013 at a civil court in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Mark Fournier writes at <b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.freedominion.ca\/phpBB2\/viewtopic.php?f=70&amp;t=165151&amp;start=50&amp;sid=0e25e201ab95db2784455e66aab6eda4\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">Free Dominion<\/span><\/a><\/b> about the day that free speech died in Canada:<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u201cThe jury decided that we had not taken down the complained of posts fast enough so we were therefore responsible for all the posts made by third parties. This put us in a position where we had no defenses to protect ourselves. We weren\u2019t allowed to put in evidence to prove the truth of many of the facts (such as the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><span style=\"color: #669922; font-size: large;\">\u202aDavid Icke video<\/span><\/strong><\/a><span style=\"font-size: large;\">), we weren\u2019t allowed to say what we believed commenters were referring to in their comments, and we couldn\u2019t testify to the state of mind, or motivation of, anonymous posters. We were held responsible for the words of others and systematically stripped of every possible defense.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">The verdict by the jury in the \u201cWarman vs Fournier et al\u201d has effectively killed good, old-fashioned, political discourse and debate in cyberspace, in Canada. Even minor insults and common hyperbole of innocent nature and made-up words not in the dictionary, can now be construed as defamation.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">The law lesson learned from the verdict is that defamation court actions are designed to stifle online discourse and healthy political debates that used to commonly take place around kitchen tables and then graduated to cyberspace are now less likely to happen in the blogosphere, since all owners of blogs, forums, chat rooms etc. must now become ruthless, editorial police to avoid the risk of libel suits.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">The law definition of libel states: \u201cAny communication that is likely to lower that person in the estimation of reasonable people and in particular to cause that person to be regarded with feelings of hatred, contempt, ridicule, fear or dislike.\u201d <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Each and every Canadian ought to now be motivated to action in a gallant effort to redeem free speech in Canada. Most likely, our elected representatives are not yet aware of the significant impact that the verdict in the Warman vs Fournier et al is having on our fragile and ever diminishing right of free speech in Canada.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Canadians everywhere are invited and encouraged to communicate with their respective, elected Members of Parliament re: Canada&#8217;s oppressive and outdated libel laws and the outcome of the &#8220;Warman vs Fournier et al&#8221; trial.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><b>Read Jeffrey Sahllit\u2019s article: <\/b><b>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/cs.uwaterloo.ca\/~shallit\/libel3.html\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">It&#8217;s time to reform Canadianlibel law<\/span><\/a>&#8220;<\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><b><span style=\"font-size: large;\">And Alan Shanoff\u2019s article: &#8220;<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lawtimesnews.com\/201302112657\/commentary\/social-justice-time-to-abolish-outdated-defamatory-libel-offence\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922; font-size: large;\">Timeto abolish outdated defamatory libel offence<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8220;<\/span><\/b><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">To redeem free speech in Canada, the libel laws must be revised to modernize the original words of the Magna Carta that was written in the 13<sup>th<\/sup> Century when King John was the feared enemy of freedom and liberty.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Lord Denning referred to the Magna Carta as \u201cthe greatest constitutional document of all times \u2013 the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">In retrospect, perhaps the six member jury would have returned with a different verdict if the Plaintiff\u2019s responsibility was to prove that the statements were typed with malicious intent.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">In this 21<sup>st<\/sup> Century, the power of the Plaintiff in a cyber-defamation case becomes the feared despot to freedom of speech. <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Connie Fournier explains at <b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.freedominion.ca\/phpBB2\/viewtopic.php?f=70&amp;t=165151&amp;start=50&amp;sid=0e25e201ab95db2784455e66aab6eda4\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #669922;\">Free Dominion<\/span><\/a><\/b>, the challenge she and Mark faced as Defendants:<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u201cThe witnesses we brought in were to prove specific facts that we needed to prove were true in order for a fair comment defense to apply. The fair comment defense doesn&#8217;t apply if the comment is not based on &#8220;proven facts&#8221;. Since there were specific comments about a protest at Paul Fromm&#8217;s house and about events with David Icke so we needed them to give testimony about them. Newspaper articles and even tribunal transcripts were considered hearsay and much of the evidence we brought was excluded by the judge.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">You cannot prove a fact in court unless you call a real person who was there. So you can see how impossible it is to vet every post that is posted on an internet forum and, when you are facing getting witnesses to prove facts behind sixty-some posts, it is an enormous burden. <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">In our case, as our opponents found out that we had witnesses to prove certain facts, they removed the related posts from their claim. In fact, they waited until the day of the trial when they knew for a fact that David Icke was coming, to remove the posts related to him and they tried to get the judge to block his testimony (after we had already paid for his flight and accommodations). In their haste, they forgot to remove ONE of those allegations so he testified. But, that is how it went all the way through the trial.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">The strategy was NOT to attack Richard Warman&#8217;s character. We focused on proving facts related to specific posts, and we went as far as we could in trying to persuade the jury that the posts were not defamatory, but our hands were tied there. The judge is in charge of giving them the law and the definition of defamation that he gave them would encompass any negative comment. It was &#8220;any communication that is likely to lower that person in the estimation of reasonable people and in particular to cause that person to be regarded with feelings of hatred, contempt, ridicule, fear, or dislike.&#8221; <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">We were not allowed to refer to any case law that gave a broader definition, and the judge specifically refused to give the jury case law relating to the extra latitude that should be given to &#8220;political speech&#8221;. I was stopped from giving my opinion as to how comments are interpreted in an online forum context because I was not an &#8220;expert witness&#8221;, and every time I tried to explain the context of an anonymous comment or what I thought was the motivation behind a post, I was not allowed to continue.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Anyway, you can only go so far when the judge has the final word on the evidence the jury will be allowed to see. The only recourse when you feel the jury was not properly instructed is to appeal.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">And, for the record, our lawyer was EXCEPTIONAL.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">The right to speak our mind in real life situations and\/or to type words in cyberspace is a unique freedom cherished by Canadian citizens, but now freedom of speech in under threat because of the misguided verdict in the \u201cWarman vs Fournier et al\u201d trail.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Now in 2013, any self-appointed censor can rely on their JUST US system to censor blogosphere debates on any topics or issues. This is evidence that political correctness has morphed into a totalitarian monster that must be tamed.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Our inate right to speak our honestly held opinions without fear of being sued or saddled with a gag order must be restored for ourselves, our children, and, our grandchildren.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">As it stands now, our right of free expression as granted by the Charter of Rights is being trumped by outdated, libel law, with its attached punitive consequences. All Canadians now will suffer an extreme injustice because of fatal flaws in Canadian jurisprudence.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">This is because under Canada&#8217;s libel law there is more protection for the Plaintiff than for the Defendant, as the burden of proof has become the responsibility of the Defendant to prove that any typed words in cyberspace do not damage the &#8220;honour&#8221; of another individual.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Based on the jury verdict in the &#8220;Warman vs Fournier et al,&#8221; Canada&#8217;s defamation laws now permit a Plaintiff to abuse and harass a Defendant &#8211; who has little or no fair recourse in their tainted JUST US system<\/span>.<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-ybgx0tOT4tw\/Uk5PgAUgDjI\/AAAAAAAAHXI\/7DgiQNB5Zs4\/s1600\/images.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-ybgx0tOT4tw\/Uk5PgAUgDjI\/AAAAAAAAHXI\/7DgiQNB5Zs4\/s400\/images.jpeg\" width=\"400\" height=\"362\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Free Dominion\u00a04 &#8212; Huge Defeat for Freedom of Speech in Canada The bottom line is that, after a very costly and valiant 6-year battle, the Free Dominion\u00a04 &#8212;\u00a0 Free Dominion website owners, Mark and Connie Fournier, and bloggers, Jason &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/?p=421\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[174,176,173,30,175],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/421"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=421"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/421\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":423,"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/421\/revisions\/423"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=421"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=421"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cafe.nfshost.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=421"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}<br />
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